Message to Humanity
A Message from Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan
In a world where mankind feels threatened by social upheavals, over population, wars, terrifying violence, callousness, each human being is more than ever concerned with his own survival.
Survival has implied living sanely, happily without great pressure or strain. Each one of us translates survival according to his own particular concept. The idealist projects a way of life which is not the actual; the theoreticians, whether Marxist, religious, or of any other particular persuasion have laid down patterns for survival; the nationalists consider survival possible only in a particular group or community. These ideological differences, ideals and faiths are the roots of a division that is preventing human survival.
Men want to survive in a particular way, according to their narrow responses, according to their immediate pleasures, according to some faith. All these can in no way bring security, for in themselves they are divisive, exclusive, limited. To live in the hope of survival according to tradition, however ancient or modern, has no meaning. Partial solutions of any kind - scientific, religious, political, economic- can no longer assure mankind, its survival. Man has been concerned with his own individual survival, with his family, with his group, his nation and because all this is divisive it threatens his actual survival.
The modern divisions of nationalities, of color, of culture, of religion are the causes of man's uncertainty of survival. In the turmoil of today's world, uncertainty has made man turn to authority - to the political, religious or economic expert. The specialist is inevitably a danger because his response must always be partial, limited. Man is no longer individual, separate. What affects the few, affects all mankind. There is no escape or avoidance of the problem. You can no longer withdraw from the totality of the human predicament.
We cannot possibly survive if we are concerned with our own survival. All human beings the world over are interrelated today. What happens in one country affects the others. Man considers himself an individual, separate from others but psychologically a human being is inseparable from the whole of mankind.
There is no such thing as psychological survival. When there is this desire to survive or to fulfill you are psychologically creating a situation which not only separates but which is totally unreal. Psychologically you cannot be separate from another and this desire to be separate psychologically is the very source of danger and destruction. Each person asserting himself threatens his own existence.
This assertion of separateness destroys our capacity to work together; to work together with nature, the living things of the earth and also with other human beings. As social beings we exist for ourselves. Our laws, our governments, our religions all emphasize the separateness of man - which during the centuries has developed into man against man. It is becoming more and more important, if we are to survive, that there be a spirit of cooperation with the universe, with all the things of the sea and earth.
One can see in all social structures the destructive effect of fragmentation taking place - nation against nation, one group against another group, one family against another family, one individual against another, religiously, socially, and economically. Each one is striving for himself, for his class or his particular interest in the community. This division of beliefs, ideals, conclusions and prejudices is preventing the spirit of cooperation from flowering. We are human beings, not tribal identities, exclusive, separate. We are human beings caught in conclusions, theories, faiths. We are living creatures, not labels. It is our human circumstance that makes us search for food, clothes and shelter at the expense of others. Our very thinking is separative, and all actions springing from this limited self, must prevent cooperation. The economic and social structure, as it is now, including organized religions, intensifies exclusiveness, and separateness. This lack of cooperation ultimately brings about wars and the destruction of man. It is only during crises or disasters, that we seem to come together and when they are over we are back to our old condition. We seem to be incapable of living and working together harmoniously.
Is it because our brain, which is the centre of our thought, our feeling, has from ancient days become through necessity so conditioned to seek its own personal survival, that this isolating, aggressive process has come about? Is it because this isolating process identifies itself with the family, with the tribe, and becomes glorified nationalism? Is not all isolation linked to a need for identification and fulfillment? Has not the importance of the self been cultivated through evolution by the opposition of the 'me' and 'you', the 'we' and 'they'? Have not all religions emphasized personal salvation, personal enlightenment, personal achievement, both religiously and in the world? Has cooperation become impossible because we have given such importance to this sense of separateness? Is it because human cooperation has centered on some kind of authority of Government or religion around some ideology or conclusion, which then inevitably brings about its own destructive opposite?
What does it mean to cooperate - not the word but the spirit of it? You cannot possibly cooperate with another, with the earth and its waters, unless you in yourself are harmonious, not broken up, non contradictory; you cannot cooperate if you yourself are under strain, pressure, conflict. How can you cooperate with the universe if you are concerned with yourself, your problems and your ambitions? There can be no cooperation if all your activities are self centered and you are occupied with your own selfishness, with your own secret desires and pleasures. As long as the intellect with its thoughts dominates all your actions, obviously there can be no cooperation, for self-centered thought is partial, narrow and everlastingly divisive. Cooperation demands great honesty. Honesty has no motive. Honesty is not some ideal, some faith. Honesty is clarity - the clear perception of things as they are. Perception is attention. That very attention throws light with all its energy on that which is being observed. This light of perception brings about a transformation of the thing observed. There is no system through which you learn to cooperate. It is not to be structured and classified. Its very nature demands that there be love and that love is not measurable, for when you compare - which is the essence of measurement - self has entered. Where self is, love is not.
When the truth of all this is seen and understood man's responsibility undergoes a radical change not only towards his immediate environment but also towards all living things. This total responsibility is love. This love acts through intelligence. This intelligence is not partial, individual separate. Love is never partial. Love is the sacredness of all living things.
We have stated the problem, the cause and now we must find the solution. Through no effort of his, could man possibly make it. All this is possible only when your heart is filled with the Presence. The Presence flows into you through Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer (known as Oneness deeksha in the East).
Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer would thus help create a new generation of human beings, with a new outlook, with a new sense of being citizens of the world, concerned with all the living things of the earth. It is your grave responsibility to help bring about this Oneness.
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Bhagavan,
how
do you give enlightenment?
How is it possible to give enlightenment?
Ah yes.
Basically it is through the process of what is called 'Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer, an
electrical energy which transfers through some kind of a hole in the mind of
man. We believe that the mind of
man is like a wall, which divides man from God.
The Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer is an electrical energy that makes a hole in this wall, which
we call the mind. Once that
happens, then God and man can come to relate with each other.
The way they relate has to do with his background, his conditioning, his
aspirations, his education, so many factors.
But it is God who gives enlightenment, whether you call it God or cosmic
consciousness or nature, call it what you want.
So that takes over and enlightenment is delivered through God.
He is the one who delivers. Our
job is to give the Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer
and make a hole in the mind, and then God does the
rest. It's a very complex process
that only God can do.
So when you give Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer
you speak of this Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer as a
neurobiological process that affects the brain?
Yes,
when we give Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer
it is like the
passing on of an electrical energy that affects the brain, the spinal cord, and
what we call the ductless glands or the 'chakras'.
So most of the work is being done on the frontal lobes and the parietal
lobes of the brain. There is an
activation of the frontal lobes, and a deactivation of the parietal lobes, plus
some energies are sent into the ductless glands to reactivate these chakras.
So all this in turn produces a hole in the mind, and a link is
established between God and man. Thereafter what happens is God's work. Up to then, of course,
we can do certain things.
Right. So when
you speak about losing the 'self', that's what happens when you make this hole
in the wall?
When
you make the hole in the wall,
then God can take over, and then he works on the senses, liberating the senses
from the mind, from the clutches of the mind.
When that happens you lose your 'self'. That part of the work happens
through God himself. As he is the
creator, He works like a computer to rearrange the brain, and He takes over.
Question:
What is the significance of the year 2012?
Bhagavan: OK. Most of you
know that the earth has got a magnetic field. As
the earth’s molten core is rotating, the magnetic field is created.
The thought sphere of the human mind is located in the earth’s magnetic
field. This magnetic field has been
weakening dramatically over last ten years.
Now, in physics there is a parameter called “Schumann’s Resonance”.
Using that we can determine the strength of the earth’s magnetic field.
While for many centuries, it was constant around 7.80 cycles per second,
during the last 7-8 years, it has risen to 11 cycles per second and is
continuing to increase dramatically. If
you work it out mathematically, it appears that, by the year 2012, the
"Schumann’s" is likely to be 13 cycles per second.
When this resonance is 13 cycles per second, the earth’s core would
stop rotating with magnetic field gone, you mind is gone.
When I say "your mind", what I mean is your
"samskaras". The pressure
of the past 11,000 years of samskaras will vanish.
In the Dharma, we also say, “Mind is Karma”.
All actions start from your mind. The
mind is nothing but a storehouse of samskaras or past life vasanas from which
all action emanates. This is stored
in the earth’s magnetic field. So
in the year 2012, it will become zero for a few days.
After that the core will start rotating again.
This would be a fresh beginning for man or the dawn of the Golden Age.
This is the significance of the year 2012.
How do we know it will
happen? The study of fossil records
has shown that, it happens roughly after 11,000 years. It’s only a short time away and then we can all start
afresh. That is why I want you to
become enlightened by 2012. If you
are enlightened, with all your samskaras gone, we can begin a new yuga, which
can be called Satya Yuga or the Golden Age.
Man will enter into a new state of altered consciousness.
As I told you already, the earth’s resonance is increasing which means the
earth’s heart is undergoing a transformation.
The earth has got a physical body, like you have a body.
It has got a consciousness as well.
Now, as the resonance of the earth’s heartbeat is increasing, the
earth’s heart functions very differently than before.
Now, your heart and the earth’s heart are connected.
The earth’s heart can be influenced by your heart and vice versa. That is why, it is essential that your heartbeat synchronise
with the earth’s resonance. This
means your heart must flower. Your
heart will flower when you discover love in your relationships.
If you have discovered love, you must stop judging your parents, spouses, etc.,
internally. Nobody can be judged as
the whole universe directly influences all events, even the behaviour of people.
So learn to experience life. Life
has to be experienced, be it pain or pleasure.
Q: Bhagavan, what is role of Amma in Mukti?
Bhagavan: Amma and I are two sides of the same coin. We are not really different. For practical purposes Amma takes care of the Vara deeksha and I take care of the Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer. Maybe after some months I will shift over to Varas and Amma will shift over to Mukti. We can interchange, but when we work in the Mukti process I handle one particular Nadi and she handles one particular Nadi. And generally we won’t interchange those Nadis but both these Nadis are involved in the process.
If the problems are related to your father, because these are very vital things, then I would be handling them, and if the problems are related to the mother, Amma would be handling them, because your relationship with parents control the process to a great extent. And the other thing is, when I tend to ‘explain’, Amma tends to ‘act’. So you need both these components. If somebody comes and tells me - I have this problem, I try to explain to him why is this problem and that better he understands why it happened.
Amma and I we have our arguments and Amma says "Look! He already has a problem, he cannot even think, you are trying to explain to him right now. That we will see later, first let us solve his problem." My argument is that if you solve the problem, he runs away. So it goes on like this.
And there are sometimes when people have to be mothered, because it is a very wrong kind of delivery and therefore Amma has to mother him. So that kind of thing will be taken care of by Amma. We have complementary roles to play. But in the Mukti process both will be involved.
At a physical level, Amma is focusing more on the desires aspect and I am focusing more on the Mukti aspect. In essence there is no great difference. Basically I handle what is called the stillness and Amma handles what is called the movement. Stillness and movement would be alternating in consciousness. This is the ultimate truth, in case you can say there is an ‘ultimate truth’. These two only will be alternating. This only creates the universe and everything in it. You can experience in the Enlightenment process.
Q: Even before I complete my prayers to Amma, she delivers the boon on my lap. Why is it Amma, so fast and compassionate, Bhagavan? Do the Pancha Boothas obey Her word and act immediately?
Bhagavan: See, even in your families, the mother is generally quick to appease you. Your father is bit tough. It is exactly the same thing here. That’s why what you must do is, in case I’m not answering, you must shift to Amma. But Amma is also tough in her own way. She may be very demanding at times. She would want you to work out your karma by doing seva. She could put conditions like, "I will do this for you, but you set this right". But my way is "I will do this, but understand this". I focus more on learning. Amma focus more on karma. So you have to choose.
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Q. I suffer with a lot of negative thoughts, what
should I do about them?
Bhagavan:
According to the natural principle, there is
nothing you could do about them, except to become more observant, to become more
aware that they are there. If you
try to fight with them or to push them out, they will become powerful.
All fights with negative thoughts must be avoided.
The more you fight, the stronger they become. The only way is to realize that
they are there and then accept them. Just accept the truth. Because the truth is
that the negative thoughts are there. How could you deny that?
By accepting them, they become weaker. As they become weaker, they have a
chance that they would slowly fade out. So, please try to avoid all fight, all
struggle with negative emotions.
And as you gradually go into it, you will realize that they are not your
negative emotions but, they are just there in the thought sphere and it so
happens that your brain is picking them up. They are not your negative thoughts,
that is why we say - they are just thoughts, like that building is there, they
are there.
They are not your thoughts but humanity's thoughts. And you will soon become
free of them. This is the process that takes place in the courses at the Oneness
University. Through our Oneness Blessing Energy Transfers here it becomes a very tangible experience to
you and you no longer identify with the thoughts as your thoughts. The present
negativity that is within you ceases thereafter.
Q. What is love? If love has to be a permanent emotion in me, what should I
do?
Bhagavan:
What is love - we cannot talk about that.
What is not love - we can talk about.
Love is not attachment, love is not possession, love is not controlling
somebody, love is not making use of somebody, and love is not all that you
conceive of. You cannot know love but you can experience love.
The only thing that we can say is that it is unconditional.
If you love somebody just because somebody is good looking, somebody is
wealthy or popular or this or that, obviously that is not love.
But if you're not able to give any reason at all, then probably you have
discovered love. That love is
unconditional and such love is not an imaginary love.
Thousands of people have discovered it and you can discover it. That is the
purpose of human existence. Otherwise life is worthless.
Genuine affection is to be affected by the other. This is the state of love that I give you as a personal
experience in our Oneness Blessing Energy Transfers.
Q. Bhagavan, how would the temple you are building affect
the whole of humanity?
Bhagavan:
This temple that we are building has a special kind of
structure, built on a very special place. Thousands of people who have
been through the 21-Day Process would come there, sit there and meditate.
Six or
seven thousand people would be meditating in those halls and, many would be giving
Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer in the world. So
their Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer would be very powerful, because these groups are meditating here.
Then after sometime this group would go out and a
newer group would come in. So it is
like the power generator, with so many highly enlightened people, all in the
same hall. That is why it is a pillar-less hall, with a very special design.
So as you keep meditating, it is like a power supply, which goes into the people
who are giving Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer outside and helps mankind to become enlightened very
fast. So, this temple is being
specially built for the specific purpose of enlightening mankind.
Q. Bhagavan,
how do we accept things?
Bhagavan:
See, the mind is a very good businessman.
It naturally does what is profitable to it. What is not profitable to it,
it does not do. When you do not
accept something, the first thing is, it's a fact that it is there.
You cannot wish it away. By fighting with it, you are creating a lot of
conflict. By conflict there is a lot of dissipation of energy.
When energy is being lost you become unhappy and also you become a
failure. On the other hand, if you
accept what ever is there, there is no conflict.
No conflict means there is no wastage of energy.
When energy is still, there is no movement of energy as wastage. That becomes
joy and happiness. It leads to greater success. If you can see this whole
process, then naturally you'll accept because it is a better choice for you. You
cannot do unprofitable things.
Somehow you are imagining that if you fight with it, it is good. Therefore you
fight with it.
When you observe that fighting is not profitable, the mind naturally will drop
it. You must see how all the fighting is not profitable to you, then it's all
over. It is very simple but because you are not used to this observation, the
situation is going to be difficult.
But once you learn it, it is as easy as breathing but, until then, it looks
"Oh! How am I going to do it?” It takes some effort and understanding.
Still it will be difficult but I am there!
If you know how to ask me, I can make you actually do it.
Q. What
exactly is Mukti?
Bhagavan:
Mukthi could be defined in various ways. My general
definition for Mukthi is - the liberation of the senses.
Now when you see anything, you do not see without the interference of the
mind. When you can see without the
mind's interference, that is Mukthi. If
you can hear without the mind interfering, that is Mukthi. The same applies to
smell, touch and even thought.
Thought can also be observed without your getting involved in the thought. Now
what's happening is, when you are thinking, you think you are thinking. But it
is actually possible to notice thoughts flow as though they were independent of
you. This is a physical reality - actually you can observe the thoughts. Any
kind of thought would
be flowing into you and going out of you.
When you can observe this flow of thoughts through you, this is the state of
Mukthi. That is the complete liberation of the senses from the control of the
mind. It's only such a being that
is actually living.
Wherever the mind is in control, you are not
actually living. When the mind is not there, then you are actually living.
That's why, when people ask me - what is the purpose of life, my answer is -
"if you are living you won't ask that question".
The purpose of life is to live. What does that mean? It means to live the life
of the senses. The senses must be independent and free of the mind. Now what's
happening is, you are not at all experiencing reality. Reality to you is what is
flowing through the senses.
Now, all the time you are interpreting all the data that is coming into you. You
look at a tree and you say - big tree, mango tree, green tree, this, that etc.
All the time comments are going on. When you sit down to eat food, you are not
eating food. You start worrying about your family, about your office, or comment
on the food itself. The food is not being experienced.
That's why I have said in the Mahavakyas,
"When you experience the reality as it is, then you will just experience
bliss". You will realize that this whole creation is perfect. It's the most
beautiful thing. You are already in heaven. You have made it into a hell.
So the whole attempt of this movement is to help you experience reality as it
is. When that happens you will discover unconditional love and unconditional
joy. You feel connected with everything and everybody.
You do not feel that you are a separate individual.
You do not live for yourself anymore. Because, `yourself' has become
'everybody'. You live for the sake of humanity, which is not a concept or an
imaginary thing. This is a day-to-day reality, once you become enlightened.
Thousands of people have already got into these states. This is the state I
shall give you when you come to me.
Q. Bhagavan, why doesn't
the mind stay concentrated on one thing? What should I do if it has to stay put
at one point?
Bhagavan:
See, the mind, breath and kundalini form a triangle. If you
tamper with one you'll be tampering the other two. Suppose the breath is not
constant or steady, the mind also will not be constant and steady.
Similarly if the kundalini is vibrating too much, then also the mind will be
unstable. Kundalini will start vibrating depending on the temperature, air
pressure, depending on the kind of people around, depending on the food you've
eaten, the clothes you are wearing - so many factors.
So as the kundalini is vibrating, the mind also becomes unsteady and becomes
unfocused. So also is breath. In fact breath is a crucial element and most
people do not even know how to breathe. That's why I often say that, children
must be taught in school as to how to really breathe.
When this is done, you'll actually find that the mind becomes steadied. Without
setting right these two things the mind will be very very shaky. And of course
if you are not able to do these things, you can very well ask me inside and I
will steady it. And you'll have a very focused mind. It's not very difficult to
achieve.
Q. Bhagavan, please tell
us three very easy ways to become rich!!
Bhagavan:
The first thing is that the desire must come from the heart and not
from the head. The desire from the heart is, let us say, you just look at a car,
and then you touch it, you see it, you feel it, and then you would like to own
it. You would like to drive it. From compassion if you ask, normally the desires
do not get fulfilled.
Then the second thing is, you must have the confidence
that you deserve it. If you become your own enemy and say, “Oh! All this is
not possible. Do I really deserve it?" then it becomes very difficult.
The third thing is, you should ask me, like you would ask a friend. If you ask
me like a friend, then it is very difficult for me to say a "No". And
it should be reasonable. It should not be somebody who is just having a small
little tea shop, and then you come and
ask, "give me a Benz!" that would be very very difficult. But if you
would ask for a small three-wheeler or something (, it should be) reasonable,
then it is possible.
And I do believe in fulfilling people's desires.
Because I think, that is something very good for people. I am not against
desires, as long as they do not hurt or harm others. So once or twice, when
these desires are fulfilled, then it becomes very easy. You will
exactly know how to go about it.
Clarity is important. You must be very exact in what you are asking. When you
want a job, please tell me, more exactly, what company you prefer, how it should
be. The more the data you feed, the easier it becomes. Because when you actually
ask me, the desire can be fulfilled.
Otherwise the desire won't come in the first place. I believe in creating rich
people, in creating wealth. Then we can wipe out poverty. We can all live quite
nicely. I want you all to live a very comfortable life. So you work out later
on, may be not now and find out,
how much you really like to have. To make a person rich is very easy in fact.
Q. What is the purpose of your darshan?
What do you do to us in your darshan?
What happens?
Bhagavan:
Reason number one is, when I am physically in your presence,
it is easy to give Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer. That is it. The Oneness Blessing
Energy Transfer that is given becomes much
more effective, much more easily given, when you have a personal Darshan with
Me.
We have some other reasons also. It is not so
important now. But as far as I am concerned, right now my main focus is, to help
you receive the Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer. So, that's what this is.
And when I am closing my eyes and going inside, I am trying to focus on
you people. That will help in the process of Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer
and also answer some of
your prayers.
Many of you… though you say that you have come for Mukthi, you have secret
desires. You keep asking. I try to focus on them so that your desires get
fulfilled. It is also for the fulfilment of your desires that I give Darshans.
Though that role is basically Amma's at Nemam, to fulfill desires, when you ask,
I have to help you in that.
Q. Bhagavan, what is
creativity and how does one become very creative?
Bhagavan:
After working very hard and thinking very hard, if you could
set aside your thought process, you could become very creative. To be truly
creative you must stop thinking. When that happens, then something comes from
inside, that is true creativity.
But the question is - how are you going to put aside your thought process?
By simply putting aside your thought process you are not going to become
creative because you must do all the hard thinking also.
If you can do really hard thinking and then if you learn the art of putting
aside your thought process, which can be learnt, then you would discover that
simply the creativity comes into your consciousness. It could be that you are
working on an engine or some new design. It would just come up.
The process is done inside, of which you are not aware. It will just be thrown
up. Here is where we are trying to educate the youth. That's what we are trying to help you through our youth Oneness Blessing
Energy Transfer
– an exclusive program for the youth - to become more creative. In
silence creation occurs.
Q. What is surrender? How to surrender?
Bhagavan:
When we use the word surrender what we mean is that you
should understand that this mind cannot really help you and that you have to get
beyond the mind. If you let go of the mind, that letting go is what we call,
surrender. You must realize that the human mind is limited and there is no use
wasting your time with the mind. It is only going to create obstacles for you.
If you can see that, the mind would stop interfering. If that happens, then we
say you have surrendered. That is all. It is not some kind of slavish surrender.
It is never used in that sense. God would not like you to surrender like a
slave. He is after all your friend. So, when we use the word surrender it means
putting aside the mind, knowing its limitations.
You discover surrender when you feel you are helpless. When you feel you are
totally helpless you will discover surrender. That is when Grace comes pouring
in. Imagine that you are struck on the railway line and the train rushing at
you, then you will certainly surrender! Many
people have surrendered to me like that. Most people surrender only in dire
moments. That is why miracles too happen only in those moments.
Q. Bhagavan, what is the
relationship between Yoga and Mukthi? Without
Yoga people say you cannot get Mukthi. What do you say?
Bhagavan:
All that I can tell is, now let us say you make a spaceship and you
finally land up on the moon, it's a highly technical and a very very complex
operation. But then if you have the Siddhi to travel in space, in a moment's
notice you can physically land on the moon, do the same kind of exploration and
come back.
That way all-human effort to achieve Mukthi is very cumbersome, very difficult
and very rarely it will succeed. And finally when it does succeed, again it
needs Grace. That is why very few people have become enlightened either through
Yoga or other sadhanas.
Very often when they have been enlightened it has spontaneously happened. So,
what I maintain is "Enlightenment has to be given to man. He cannot get
enlightened on his own". Amma and I have come to give this state to man.
Q. Bhagavan, you speak
about Oneness. What exactly is Oneness?
Bhagavan:
Man suffers alienation from his fellow human beings, from
nature and from God; worse still from himself.
To avoid this misery he has created varied forms of escape like going out to
parties, reading books, watching television, gossiping etc.
He has become an expert of managing suffering. Unless this fundamental
issue is handled, there cannot be a massive transformation in the way we live
and the way we experience life. That
is why, in spite of the French revolution, the American Revolution, the Russian
revolution and many others, the world has not made any progress in terms of
peace and happiness.
The root cause is that man is divided within and without. When this sense of
division vanishes all problems in the world - religious, social, economical,
political - would dissolve.
Oneness starts basically inside oneself; this can be affected through a process
of individuation. Man is divided within and he is a stranger unto himself. We do
not love ourselves in the first place, let alone loving others. We are
constantly divided between the good and the bad, the right and the wrong, the
perfect and the imperfect, the should-be and the should-not-be. When we achieve
Oneness at a fundamental level, this conflict ceases.
Then there is an inner silence, which remains undisturbed by external factors.
This silence is not the opposite of noise. That is inner Oneness. This Oneness
then extends to the world at large, to nature and finally with God. The ultimate
vision of the Oneness Movement is to make man one with God.
Q. Bhagavan, what is the
Oneness University?
Bhagavan:
Oneness University can be considered as the university for
universities. It exists to make one into a true human being. Every human being
has to be enlightened. Every human being has to be God realized.
This University exists to help people become enlightened and God realized. The
function of the University is not only to give an understanding of the human
mind, human consciousness, and life itself, but also to bestow the state of
enlightenment or Oneness.
Seekers are not only given the state but are also empowered to transfer this
state to others. One is fully
empowered to help others become enlightened. The effort is to create a new
humanity that has discovered Oneness.
Q. What does one learn
at Oneness University other than spirituality?
Bhagavan:
This is a University, which is designed to help sort out all
kinds of human problems. If you are a student who is weak in mathematics or
physics or you have problems with concentration or are disoriented, we will help
you.
Suppose you are depressed... we will pull you out of depression.
Suppose you are married and you want to end up in divorce, we can sort
out - not by advising nor by counselling like they do in courts. You would
simply fall in love. That is all. Suppose somebody had cheated you and you have
thoughts of suicide, we would make you perfectly all right.
You want to get into a good job but are not able
to get into it because of some problem within yourself, we would set that right.
If you are a businessman, who has attempted a hundred and eight businesses and
failed in every one, this time you would succeed. We will change the whole
pattern for you.
If you are sick and the doctors have given up hope, we would heal you. If you
are spiritually inclined and you want to become enlightened or God realized, we
would give you that state. In short, this place exists to sort out all human
problems.
Q. Bhagavan, what is the
most important factor in keeping a good relationship with one's parents?
Bhagavan:
The basic thing you must know is that whatever they, as
parents, have done to you, whatever you do not approve of, was not that they did
it wilfully; they were made to do those things because they were being
controlled by several factors. You
must realize that you are nothing but robots.
You are a robot and your parent is a robot.
If you can see that, you wouldn't blame them at all. The way they behave
with you would depend on what happened while they were in their mother's womb,
their fundamental childhood decisions, past life vasanas, later day
conditioning, etc.
If you realize this, first would come acceptance, then would come love and the
relationship falls into order. Once the relationship falls into order,
everything else falls into order.
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Q. Bhagavan, what is my swadharma?
How do I come to know about it? Since
the very beginning of my education I have not faced any success.
Why is it Bhagavan?
Bhagavan:
Swadharma has got two meanings, two connotations.
One refers to your nature. Suppose you are a violent person and that is
your nature, then you should not join any pacifist movement.
You should either join the police force or the army. That is the best place for
you. Let us say, your basic nature is to sing, then the best thing is that you
become a singer. Or if the basic
nature of your body is to dance, then you become a dancer. That is one of the
meanings of the word swadharma.
This connotation is to actually know your true
nature and act accordingly. Like Krishna tells Arjuna - "your swadharma is
to fight, not to talk peace". So you must know what your true nature is,
what your constitution is in relation to the vata, pita, and kapha. Whether
there is sattva, rajas, or tamas predominant in you, what is your combination,
and accordingly you must be true to your nature.
The other thing is discovering your mission in
life.
God has a definite mission for each one of you, which you must clearly
understand and live accordingly. For that to happen you must discover God. But
in Kali Yuga, you have lost contact with God. Here we are trying to put you in
touch with God, whereby you and God can talk and God can tell you the purpose of
your life. Then accordingly you must live.
It has to come directly from God. That is the other aspect of swadharma.
Q. What exactly is love, Bhagavan?
Is love also an emotion like anger, like jealousy or is it a power that
is hidden within man? Would love lead to suffering or to joy?
Bhagavan:
The love that we are talking about is not an emotion, nor some
power, as you say. It is none of these things. This love cannot be spoken about.
We can tell you what it is not. The love of a parent for the child is not this
love. The love between a man and a woman is not this love.
Your love of your friend is not this love. It is not attachment, it is not
possession, it is not concern, it is not caring, it is none of these things. It
is the stuff with which this universe is created. It is the stuff of the
universe. It is your true nature. It is that which is there. If you go deeper
and deeper into reality… what there is, it is emptiness. It is all emptiness.
That emptiness is love. That is the love we are
talking about. It has to be experienced. At the first level you have to become
enlightened, at the second level a divine being must come into you, only then
you will know what it is. Otherwise it is beyond your grasp. We are not
condemning the love you are experiencing now. This kind of love is perfectly
fine.
What we are telling is, `that' love has no cause. If you see somebody, there
will be `that' love. If you see an ant there will be `that' love. There is no
cause for `that' love. For the love that you know there must be a cause. It must
be your child, wife, friend, then there is love. On the other hand, when you
experience causeless Love, you are in Oneness. You are no more separate from the
dog, the leper, the beggar, or the rich. Nobody is separate from you. There is
complete Oneness. It is a love born of Oneness. So, It has no cause.
Q. Bhagavan, the kind of
thoughts I have, the kind of feelings I have, are they all designed by God?
Is God putting those thoughts inside me?
Is God putting desire into me? Is
God putting violence into me?
Bhagavan:
All these thoughts come from the thought sphere. The thought sphere
is as old as man and every single thought of every being that has ever been on
this planet is recorded there and it is still there. These thoughts are flowing
into and out of you. What thoughts are flowing inside you and what thoughts are
flowing out of you depends on your health condition, the place in which you are
staying, the people around you and many other factors.
It is like tuning into a television channel. There are
so many channels there and you could tune in to any channel. If you tune into a
channel called negative thoughts, you will be getting so many negative thoughts.
If you tune into a channel called violent thoughts, you will be getting those
thoughts.
Once you get this insight that you are not your thoughts, and these thoughts are
not yours, then strangely you will find that you tune into a channel that is
broadcasting silence and you receive that silence. Otherwise you would be
getting these thoughts and they are as old as man.
They are not your thoughts. Some body could have
had fear ten thousand years ago as he was being been chased by a tiger. That
thought could now enter you. It would not be fear of the tiger but it would be
fear of the share market. But the same fear comes into you like that. Once you
realize that your thoughts are not your thoughts, you could actually see how
they are coming, how they are flowing through you and then you become very
detached. That is how you could be free of these things.
Q. Bhagavan,
what should one do if love should go on increasing in oneself?
Bhagavan:
If you would realize that there is nothing you could do about
it that is the beginning of love. In spirituality, the moment you realize there
is nothing you could do about it, that is the beginning of all spiritual growth.
As long as you keep trying you will never ever get there because that trying is
the problem.
That trying is the thing which takes you away
from where you want to be. You have
to realize the futility of all effort in the inner world. All effort on the
spiritual path is futile. If you could realize that, it could hit you like a ton
of bricks and then all effort ceases. The moment effort is gone, there is love,
and there is peace. But as long as you keep struggling you keep putting in some
effort you will move further away.
If you want to discover love and you put in some effort, you will move further
away from love. If you want peace and you put in some effort, you would move
further away from peace because that very effort is the disturbance, the noise.
You have to realize that futility of effort.
Q. What is the joy we
get in spirituality, Bhagavan?
Bhagavan:
Spirituality is only for getting joy. There must be joy in
everything you do. Every moment must be joyous. You are not joyous. Making you
joyous is spirituality. There must be joy - Joy without a cause. Joy with a
cause is not joy at all.
Just because you pass you exams, just because you have purchased a house,
because you got married to somebody nice, you are happy. That is pleasure.
Joy is causeless just as true love is causeless.
Spirituality helps you to discover causeless love and causeless joy.
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This is the transcript of a
conversation Kiara Windrider had with Bhagavan on October 8, 2004 in Golden
City. It addresses issues of
personal and global enlightenment through a process known as the
"Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer (known as deeksha in the East)", which is an electrical transmission of divine energy
resulting in neurobiological changes in the brain leading to states of
enlightenment. It also covers questions about environmental catastrophes and
earth changes, human death, and the advent of the long awaited Golden Age.
Namaste
Bhagavan, I am so grateful for your presence on this earth and in my life,
and for the gift of enlightenment that you have given to me, and are giving to
the world. For myself, I can say
that there really seems like there is no individual
self left, that who I am is simply the universe expressing through this body,
experiencing itself moment to moment in a very fresh way.
It seems like there is an emptiness here, an emptiness that is at the
same time very full.
I would first like to ask you
to introduce yourself.
Well,
I am known in India
as Bhagavan. I am an avatar, an avatar who is specifically concerned about
enlightening people and of course, also fulfilling their desires.
I have been around for the past nearly 12 years or so.
We have millions of followers, and a few thousand now who are
enlightened. We can say that there
is some kind of spiritual renaissance going on in the country here. We have been able to address all sections of society, men and
women, young and old, rich and poor. There
is now a tremendous seeking after enlightenment, a great passion now among large
numbers of people to become enlightened, and so I have come to be considered as
an avatar for enlightenment.
Bhagavan, for those may not be familiar with the term avatar,
how would you define it?
In
India, we have this concept of the
avatar. An avatar could be a musical avatar, a mathematical avatar, a political
avatar, or a spiritual avatar. An
avatar is someone who comes with a specific mission on the planet and who is
divinely inspired, and through whom divine energies flow. Avatars can come in every field of human activity. Many
seem to think it is can only pertain to spiritual work, but it isn't so.
But I happen to be a spiritual avatar.
You and Amma, your wife, are both avatars?
Yes we
are both avatars, like two sides
of the same coin. We have excellent
understanding and communication, and sometimes we don't even have to talk to
know what's going on. We work
like one being when it comes to enlightenment and helping people.
Bhagavan, there have been so many avatars in human history, who
have come and given different teachings, and helped to maybe enlighten a few
people. What makes you so
different?
Well,
I think it is not about my being
different. I think I have come at a
different time. The other avatars
prepared people for enlightenment, for liberation, but could not give it to
them, not because they were not capable of giving it, but because the times were
not ready for that. So I come
at a time when earth's energies have changed, and man is very receptive, and it
is possible to give him enlightenment. So
my advantage is that I have come at the right time, a time when it is possible
to give it to man.
Does this have something to do with our movement into the Golden
Age?
It
definitely has to do with the emergence
of the Golden Age. In India it is
believed that the Kali Yuga started sometime around 3002 BC and is supposed to
have ended in 2002 AD. By 2003 we
are right into the Golden
Age.
That's why we began giving enlightenment publicly in the year 2003.
So it's only been one year.
It's only been one year.
Is this something you have been preparing for a
very long time?
Yes,
my whole life has been a preparation
for this. Ever since I was a child,
my only concern was how to liberate man from his suffering. These were not things that I arrived at through my own life
experience, because I myself was a child, but rather I was forced to become
concerned about man's suffering and to work for that. That is why I am an avatar, because I never arrived at
these conclusions, I was just led into these things by a higher energy, a higher
force, what you call the divine energy, or God.
Ever since I was a child I was
made to do certain practices, which I did for many years. So that has given me the ability. So mostly I don't give Oneness Blessing Energy Transfers. I let others give Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer.
I am more like a powerhouse, and the others are like step down
transformers who can receive this energy and pass it on to people.
So my function is to remain as a powerhouse for some time.
So this is how Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer
is given and how enlightenment or God realization
occurs.
I
hear that each person's enlightenment is absolutely
unique?
It's
absolutely unique.
It depends on his background, his conditioning, what happened in his
childhood, his own seeking, and his religious conditioning.
So all these things are involved.
Bhagavan, many many people have been seeking for many many
lifetimes, and been through all kinds of practices and sadhanas and rituals and
ceremonies and traditions, and many times they feel they have only been able to
go so far, and none have been able to actually cross over into enlightenment.
So how is this different?
When I
look at a person, I don't see him
as a first-timer. I only see
millions of years behind him. I
believe that all of humanity has finished all the work they need to do. I think everybody has been well prepared through so many
lives. And therefore now is
the time to get it. All the
hard work has been done. I believe
everybody has done the hard work, and now the fruit is there to be had.
Yes, it must be such a relief for many people to hear that.
Yes, that's why I see everyone as a
seeker, everybody has done their sadhana, everybody is ready. I cannot say so
and so is not ready.
So there's no one who is not a seeker?
There is no one who is not a
seeker. They could be seeking in different ways.
They could be seeking without even knowing they are seeking?
Without knowing they are
seeking.
So as this work progresses, is it possible
that more and more people will become enlightened who have no idea about
enlightenment, who have never been seeking enlightenment, it will simply just
happen?
Yes,
what is likely to happen
is that there are now people who are enlightened who are able to give Oneness Blessing
Energy Transfers
to people who are able to get into good states.
But very soon, maybe a few months from now, those who will receive Oneness Blessing
Energy Transfer
from them will naturally become enlightened. And not only that, they will be able to give Oneness Blessing
Energy Transfer
to
others and make them enlightened. This
process will continue for some time. There
will come a time when without Oneness Blessing Energy Transfer
the whole of mankind is going to make it.
Once the critical level is reached there is going to be a spontaneous
occurrence across the planet.
What will this look like in practical terms?
In
practical terms the world
will look very different. We will not be able to talk about me being an Indian
or you being an American or somebody else being an African.
We cannot talk in terms of races and nationalities, or I can't say I'm a
Hindu, I'm a Christian, and I’m a Muslim.
So all these things that divide man will just disappear.
All these things will just drop off.
There will be no need for these things.
All these divisions will not exist.
We will become just human beings. We
will become one family. It's not a
concept, this will just happen. This
is when we will truly become humans. But
as long as we are going to define ourselves in terms of nationalities,
religions, cultures, race, we will still continue to be tribal and very
primitive. We are becoming human
now. It will definitely happen.
What about people who are still into power, control, and ego
games, and who may not want to get enlightened?
Yes,
people who stubbornly resist
enlightenment will also naturally become enlightened.
At that point there won't be any resisting it. Nobody can say "I will stay out of enlightenment".
That is not possible. It's
a natural occurrence. It's human
evolution. So all these power
games and ego games will just stop. You
can just not do it anymore. The
brain will function differently.
That's amazing.
So even the people who are consciously and adamantly refusing to even
think about sharing the earth with other people, who are trying to control the
resources of the earth and creating environmental devastation for their own
benefit, whether companies, governments, businesses, or individuals, this will
all change?
Yes,
all this will dramatically change.
Man will soon realize that the earth is a living organism, he depends on
it like his Mother, so no one will even think of harming the earth.
This won't take some kind of education; it will be a natural happening. This is what will happen.
So we are going to see a very different earth, a very different world. I
am not speculating. I am just
speaking very directly from the visions thousands of people have had in the last
decade from various continents.
Bhagavan there are many scientists who predict, based on what
is happening on the planet today - global warming, possible ice age coming, the
quality of air and water, and so on - that there could be a major environmental
catastrophe, and that we might even end up wiping out all life on the planet.
How can you be so sure that there will be a planetary enlightenment?
The
predictions are quite true, but what they
are not aware of is that, as we have seen in our visions, a great transformation
is sweeping across the planet, which will in turn prevent these things from
happening. Already we are seeing
signs of people becoming enlightened, and how it affects the environment.
We are able to see this on a very small scale.
And from that we are able to predict that on a global scale this
transformation is going to occur. This is what is going to save the earth.
If that does not happen, then what the scientists are predicting could
very well come true.
So an example could be that if a village
gets enlightened, and there has been a drought for the past few years, then the
monsoons come.
The monsoons will come, yes.
It is happening in many places in India.
We are seeing it.
So similarly when there are predictions of major earthquakes,
volcanic activity, pole shifts even, then as people become enlightened, this
will alter our relationship with the earth.
We
could save the earth. That is why we are telling people, "the house is on
fire, let us move faster, let us hurry up".
Yes, this is a very important message for people to hear. There are
so many people in despair and hopelessness, so many good people who have given
up any kind of future for the earth because of what they see with their outer
eyes.
Yes,
but there is no need for them to lose
hope, because things are going to change dramatically. In a very unexpected way things are going to change.
Yes, I am so happy to hear that. As people become enlightened, and as the planet becomes
enlightened as a collective, how will that change the physical quality of the
earth?
There
is a very close correlation between
human consciousness and the physical process occurring on the planet.
So the moment that conflict levels are reduced in human consciousness,
you will find dramatic changes at the earth level also.
So you will find a reduction of insects and pests in the crops, and
nature behaving in a much better way without the need for chemicals. All these things are a natural consequence of the
reduction of conflict in human consciousness.
There is such a close correlation between the two.
This also we are seeing on a small scale at the village level.
So as humans become enlightened, then our relationship with the
environment will change, species that have become extinct will come back, the
oceans will become de-polluted, and so on.
Yes, we have seen remarkable things happening on a small scale, so we believe it can happen on a large